Posts by Sea Breeze

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@Easy Prompt

You have been indoctrinated in a bible cult for decades. Before that you grew up in an atheist home. This is why I challenge you. We are supposed to "make sure of all things".

I'm curious how you would reconcile these two verses from the same writer:

1 John 1: 8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 5: 18 - We know that whoever is born of God does not sin

Here's the rest of the verse:

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Inserting the word "practice" doesn't help at all. Scripture is plain:

Born Again Christians cannot sin. Yet, just a few verses before, scripture says that we are a liar if we say we don't sin.

So, which is it? Does a NT believer sin or not? How do you get this to add up using your WT training?

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@ Easy Prompt

Here's the problem that you have - If Jesus has the highest name in the universe like scripture says, then why would he subject himself to the Father who has a lesser name? WT theology can't really account for that can it? Christian theology perfectly accomodates this however. I think you know how, you are just not ready to accept it yet.

I'm curious how you would reconcile these two verses from the same writer:

1 John 1: 8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 5: 18 - We know that whoever is born of God does not sin

How can both of these verses be true?

Christian theology perfectly accomodates both of these scriptures by the way. How do you reconcile them?

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

I'm curious, how do you reconcile the verse "he is greater than I" with the verse that says that the name of Jesus "is above every name" ?

Do you believe both verses are true?

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@EasyPrompt

Isn't it interesting that no where in the New Testament (which is the ONLY governing textbook for Christians) does it say we are supposed to be witnesses of Jehovah?

A change occured, a new dispensation of the grace of God happened after Calvary:

Heb. 1 - God, who at various times and in diverse ways spoke long ago to the fathers through the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son

@SeaBreeze, now I am curious, do you not believe Jesus' words that the Father is greater than he is? I am sure you must believe.

Of course. Why would you doubt that?

I'm curious, how do you reconcile the verse "he is greater than I" with the verse that says that the name of Jesus is above every name?

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2023-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

by Atlantis in

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Sea Breeze

could there come a time when the Kingdom Halls are all sold, and the JWs are renting halls off other groups

That's a great idea! May I suggest that they could make a deal with the 7th Day Adventists to share their facilities on Sunday, since they only use them on Saturday?

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@Easy Prompt

I identify as a Christian witness of Jehovah God.

I'm curious why you wouldn't want to be a witness of the highest name in the Universe - Jesus?

Phil. 2: 9-10 "a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow"

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

Sea Breeze

In spite of the general belief among JW's .....The WT said this in w85 12/1 p. 11 :

While still living in the flesh, these “righteous ones” undergo a symbolic death. The apostle Paul explains: ...Therefore we were buried with him through our baptism into his death, .. . . because we know that our old personality was impaled with him ...For he who has died has been acquitted from his sin.”—Romans 6:2-7.

That is a great quote to have because the hope of every JW that I know is (A) survive armageddon; or (B) die so that you get a "clean slate". Hope in Jesus is far down the list if ever mentioned at all.

Of course the opposite is true. Hebrews 9: 27 says that we all must face judgment AFTER we die. And since scripture says that "all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" (literally menstrual clothing or cloth), then we have a personal problem. Which is why we need a personal savior.

My grandmother died while taking a nap. She was found with an Awake magazine open on her chest. Naturally we all assumed that was the best possible way to go and that her resurrection into paradise was surely guaranteed.

Personal death is the real hope of every JW.... if they die before the Big A. Jesus is not personally needed. In wacky WT land, Jesus fulfilled some obsure legal requirement that no one can explain much less believe in.

Dying is really all you have to do as a JW. It is a heretical doctrine of self-atonement. The WT lets members continue to believe this even though they have said that the death in Romans 6: 7 is "symbolic".

So sad.

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Watchdog reports on investigation into Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Britain

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/watchdog-reports-on-investigation-into-watch-tower-bible-and-tract-society-of-britain.

press release.

watchdog reports on investigation into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

Sea Breeze

I believe Russell formed multiple corporations almost from the very beginning to :

1. Launder money

2. Reduce liability

3. Make it appear he was living in a virtual poverty

4. Keep from paying alimony to his wife

WT still operates the same way 150 years later, in my opinion.

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

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Romans 9:5

by aqwsed12345 in

na28: ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν.. na28 transliterated: hō̃n hoi patéres kaì ex hō̃n ho khristòs tò katà sárka, ho ṑn epì pántōn theòs eulogētòs eis toùs aiō̃nas, amḗn.. kit: .

nwt: to them the forefathers belong, and from them the christ descended according to the flesh.

god, who is over all, be praised forever.

Sea Breeze

@ aqwsed12345,

With the exception of the Roman Catholic Church doctrine on the "real presense" - All excellent references. What you have provided are several examples of testimony from "hostile witnesses" - considered excellent proof in a court of law.

This further complicates the job of Unitarians:

1. First, they have to change or cast doubt on verses that state that Jesus is God

2. Then, they have to change or cast doubt on all the dozens of references from the early church leaders that show their belief that Jesus was God.
3. Then, they have to change or cast doubt on all the testimonies from hostile withess sources, like the ones you provided.

We all have the same evidence; but for an unsaved Unitarian it simply provides evidence that those (imaginary) false scribes and redactors are everywhere!

False scribes and redactors are the rescue device that Unitarians invent to protect their assumptive presupposition at all cost.